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Classic test-pieces revisited No 5: Connotations

Classic test-pieces revisited No 5: Connotations

Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:26:45 GMT


Classic test-pieces revisited No 4: On Ratcliff Highway

Classic test-pieces revisited No 4: On Ratcliff Highway

Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:29:32 GMT


Interview with Ian Bousfield

Interview with Ian Bousfield

Thu, 25 Jun 2020 08:03:03 GMT


5 minute masterclass with David Childs

5 minute masterclass with David Childs

Sat, 20 Jun 2020 08:22:57 GMT


Classic test-pieces revisited No 3: A Moorside Suite

Classic test-pieces revisited No 3: A Moorside Suite

Wed, 17 Jun 2020 07:04:45 GMT


Interview with Carol Jarvis

Interview with Carol Jarvis

Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:26:07 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Ross Dunne No 3

5 minute masterclass with Ross Dunne No 3

Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:16:47 GMT


Interview with Lito Fontana

Interview with Lito Fontana

Fri, 12 Jun 2020 07:16:18 GMT


Porthouse Pointers No 4

Porthouse Pointers No 4

Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:54:09 GMT


Interview with Bramwell Tovey

Interview with Bramwell Tovey

Sun, 7 Jun 2020 08:07:32 GMT


Classic test-pieces revisited No 2: The Severn Suite

Classic test-pieces revisited No 2: The Severn Suite

Thu, 4 Jun 2020 07:45:27 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Glenn Van Looy No: 2

5 minute masterclass with Glenn Van Looy No: 2

Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:44:10 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Ross Dunne No: 2

5 minute masterclass with Ross Dunne No: 2

Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:22:19 GMT


Interview with Adam Cooke

Interview with Adam Cooke

Sat, 30 May 2020 13:26:20 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Richard Marshall

5 minute masterclass with Richard Marshall

Mon, 25 May 2020 10:08:13 GMT


Classic test-pieces revisited No 1: Variations for Brass Band

Classic test-pieces revisited No 1: Variations for Brass Band

Fri, 22 May 2020 16:12:51 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Ross Dunne

5 minute masterclass with Ross Dunne

Fri, 22 May 2020 07:39:13 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Russell Gray No 4

5 minute masterclass with Russell Gray No 4

Sun, 17 May 2020 08:58:04 GMT


Interview with Ian Porthouse

Interview with Ian Porthouse

Sat, 16 May 2020 11:54:20 GMT


5 minute masterclass with David Thornton

5 minute masterclass with David Thornton

Thu, 14 May 2020 08:23:23 GMT


Interview with Chris Haigh

Interview with Chris Haigh

Wed, 13 May 2020 10:49:43 GMT


Brass boot camp masterclass with Paul Archibald

Brass boot camp masterclass with Paul Archibald

Tue, 12 May 2020 07:06:31 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Daniel Thomas

5 minute masterclass with Daniel Thomas

Tue, 5 May 2020 09:08:34 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Brett Baker

5 minute masterclass with Brett Baker

Sat, 2 May 2020 15:58:28 GMT


4BR Interview with Ulf Rosenberg

4BR Interview with Ulf Rosenberg

Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:36:04 GMT


4BR Interview with Steven Mead

4BR Interview with Steven Mead

Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:36:45 GMT


4BR Interview with Brass Band BlechKLANG

4BR Interview with Brass Band BlechKLANG

Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:52:26 GMT


Camborne celebrate Trevithick

Camborne celebrate Trevithick

Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:58:31 GMT


4BR Interview with Michael and Cherry Garasi

4BR Interview with Michael and Cherry Garasi

Fri, 24 Apr 2020 09:08:41 GMT


4BR Interview with Alun F Williams

4BR Interview with Alun F Williams

Thu, 23 Apr 2020 16:35:32 GMT


4BR Interview with Tom Davoren

4BR Interview with Tom Davoren

Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:32:27 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Chris Turner

5 minute masterclass with Chris Turner

Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:07:57 GMT


4BR Interview with Paul Fisher

4BR Interview with Paul Fisher

Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:52:08 GMT


How to impress Russell Gray

How to impress Russell Gray

Mon, 20 Apr 2020 08:28:29 GMT


4BR interview with Kenny Crookston

4BR interview with Kenny Crookston

Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:28:21 GMT


4BR Round Table Talk: Part 2

4BR Round Table Talk: Part 2

Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:03:14 GMT


4BR Round Table Talk: Part 1

4BR Round Table Talk: Part 1

Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:26:22 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Russell Gray No 3

5 minute masterclass with Russell Gray No 3

Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:51:12 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Glenn Van Looy

5 minute masterclass with Glenn Van Looy

Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:47:07 GMT


4BR Interview with Nicholas Garman

4BR Interview with Nicholas Garman

Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:27:32 GMT


5 minute masterclass reminder with Joseph Cook

5 minute masterclass reminder with Joseph Cook

Wed, 8 Apr 2020 18:13:30 GMT


Porthouse Pointers No 3

Porthouse Pointers No 3

Tue, 7 Apr 2020 20:45:15 GMT


4BR Interview with David Bremner

4BR Interview with David Bremner

Mon, 6 Apr 2020 19:13:57 GMT


4BR Interview with Edward Gregson

4BR Interview with Edward Gregson

Sun, 5 Apr 2020 19:42:34 GMT


4BR Interview with Allan Withington

4BR Interview with Allan Withington

Fri, 3 Apr 2020 12:14:44 GMT


Porthouse Pointers No 2

Porthouse Pointers No 2

Fri, 3 Apr 2020 07:40:00 GMT


4BR Interview with Philip Harper

4BR Interview with Philip Harper

Thu, 2 Apr 2020 11:42:16 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Russell Gray No 2

5 minute masterclass with Russell Gray No 2

Thu, 2 Apr 2020 08:50:41 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Ross Knight

5 minute masterclass with Ross Knight

Tue, 31 Mar 2020 11:15:41 GMT


Porthouse Pointers No 1

Porthouse Pointers No 1

Sun, 29 Mar 2020 16:28:59 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Russell Gray

5 minute masterclass with Russell Gray

Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:37:41 GMT


5 minute masterclass with Mike Lovatt

5 minute masterclass with Mike Lovatt

Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:58:21 GMT


Interview with Bram Gay

Interview with Bram Gay

Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:14:20 GMT


Interview with Arsene Duc of Valaisia Brass Band

Interview with Arsene Duc of Valaisia Brass Band

Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:46:27 GMT


Interview with Patrick Ottiger of BML Talents

Interview with Patrick Ottiger of BML Talents

Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:39:00 GMT


2019 Brass in Concert

2019 Brass in Concert

Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:23:01 GMT


David Childs: The Symphonic Euphonium Vol II

David Childs: The Symphonic Euphonium Vol II

Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:13:37 GMT


Interview with Kenny Crookston: Part 3

Interview with Kenny Crookston: Part 3

Tue, 24 Sep 2019 09:52:24 GMT


Interview with Peter Graham

Interview with Peter Graham

Frid, 06 Sep 2019 08:15:39 GMT


Interview with Kenny Crookston: Part 2

Interview with Kenny Crookston: Part 2

Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:52:56 GMT


Interview with Kenny Crookston: Part 1

Interview with Kenny Crookston: Part 1

Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:27:25 GMT


Behind the scenes at Battle of the Brass Bands

Behind the scenes at Battle of the Brass Bands

Fri, 16 Aug 2019 15:29:21 GMT


Sky Arts: Battle of the Brass Bands

Sky Arts: Battle of the Brass Bands

Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:05:46 GMT


Interview with Fiona Hyslop MSP

Interview with Fiona Hyslop MSP

Wed, 19 Jun 2019 08:57:58 GMT


Interview with Youth Brass 2000

Interview with Youth Brass 2000

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:11:00 GMT


Interview with Darren Henley OBE

Interview with Darren Henley OBE

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 13:09:59 GMT


Interview with Wardle Academy School Band

Interview with Wardle Academy School Band

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 12:49:59 GMT


Interview with MK Youth Brass

Interview with MK Youth Brass

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 12:33:07 GMT


Interview with Brass of the Saff

Interview with Brass of the Saff

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 12:21:26 GMT


Interview with Hounslow Junior Brass

Interview with Hounslow Junior Brass

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 12:05:13 GMT


Interview with Lions Beginner Band

Interview with Lions Beginner Band

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 11:50:44 GMT


Interview with Tewit Youth Intermediate Band

Interview with Tewit Youth Intermediate Band

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 11:39:14 GMT


Interview with Lions Youth Brass

Interview with Lions Youth Brass

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 11:17:31 GMT


Interview with Elland Silver Training Band

Interview with Elland Silver Training Band

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 11:04:20 GMT


Interview with Lions Junior Brass

Interview with Lions Junior Brass

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 10:36:09 GMT


Interview with Elementary Section winners Gwynedd a Mon Junior Band

Interview with Elementary Section winners Gwynedd a Mon Junior Band

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 10:26:39 GMT


Interview with Outwood Academy Brass

Interview with Outwood Academy Brass

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 10:15:57 GMT


Interview with Stockport Schools Junior Brass Band

Interview with Stockport Schools Junior Brass Band

Sat, 31 Mar 2019 10:03:35 GMT


Interview with Chalford Youth Band

Interview with Chalford Youth Band

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 09:53:09 GMT


Interview with Gwynedd a Mon Junior Band

Interview with Gwynedd a Mon Junior Band

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 09:44:06 GMT


Interview with Dobcross Youth Training Band

Interview with Dobcross Youth Training Band

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 09:32:56 GMT


Interview with Cottenham Brass Juniors

Interview with Cottenham Brass Juniors

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:08:25 GMT


David Childs and the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra

David Childs and the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra

Tue, 8 Jan 2019 13:30:27 GMT


Interview with Simon Dobson

Interview with Simon Dobson

Mon, 26 Nov 2018 07:09:15 GMT


2018 Swiss National round up

2018 Swiss National round up

Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:20:45 GMT


State of Play: Episode 1

State of Play: Episode 1

Thur, 8 Nov 2018 07:50:55 GMT


Finding out more about the Salford brass band archives

Finding out more about the Salford brass band archives

Thur, 8 Nov 2018 20:56:01 GMT


Finding out more about student life at Salford

Finding out more about student life at Salford

Thurs, 8 Nov 2018 11:18:10 GMT


Legends of Brass - Episode 2: David Read (Part 2)

Legends of Brass - Episode 2: David Read (Part 2)

Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:52:55 GMT


Legends of Brass - Episode 2: David Read (Part 1)

Legends of Brass - Episode 2: David Read (Part 1)

Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:10:18 GMT


Interview with Paul Holland and Luc Vertommen

Interview with Paul Holland and Luc Vertommen

Sun, 7 Oct 2018 21:02:48 GMT


Looking for music?

Looking for music?

Fri, 5 Oct 2018 14:39:52 GMT


Interview with Matilda Lloyd

Interview with Matilda Lloyd

Mon, 24 Sep 2018 13:25:06 GMT


Interview with Kevin Gibbs of Middleton Band

Interview with Kevin Gibbs of Middleton Band

Sat, 15 Sep 2018 16:30:41 GMT


Interview with Philip Harper

Interview with Philip Harper

Sat, 9 Sep 2018 11:31:31 GMT


British Open memories No 4: Garry Cutt

British Open memories No 4: Garry Cutt

Tue, 4 Sep 2018 07:19:43 GMT


British Open memories No 3: Richard Evans

British Open memories No 3: Richard Evans

Mon, 3 Sep 2018 08:30:14 GMT


British Open memories No 2: Prof David King

British Open memories No 2: Prof David King

Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:23:59 GMT


British Open memories No 1: Dr Robert Childs

British Open memories No 1: Dr Robert Childs

Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:40:39 GMT


The changing face of British Open programmes

The changing face of British Open programmes

Tue, 28 Aug 2018 08:51:09 GMT


The Brass Show No.5: Geneva Group Bandroom

The Brass Show No.5: Geneva Group Bandroom

Sat, 18 Aug 2018 11:09:18 GMT


The history and mystery of the British Open Shield...

The history and mystery of the British Open Shield...

Sun, 19 Aug 2018 19:27:13 GMT


4BR at the Dean Heritage Centre

4BR at the Dean Heritage Centre

Sun, 19 Aug 2018 17:45:55 GMT


The Brass Show No.4: The National Childrens Band of Great Britain

The Brass Show No.4: The National Childrens Band of Great Britain

Sun, 19 Aug 2018 19:58:57 GMT


The Brass Show No.3: Bolsover International Brass Band Summer School

The Brass Show No.3: Bolsover International Brass Band Summer School

Mon, 6 Aug 2018 21:06:20 GMT


A contest draw with a difference...

A contest draw with a difference...

Fri, 3 Aug 2018 13:00:14 GMT


Legends of Brass - Episode 1: Lyndon Baglin

Legends of Brass - Episode 1: Lyndon Baglin

Tue, 17 Jul 2018 22:53:08 GMT


God Bless the NHS

God Bless the NHS

Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:11:26 GMT


The Pennthorpe Buzzers

The Pennthorpe Buzzers

Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:37:57 GMT


The Brass Show No.2: Mike Lovatt

The Brass Show No.2: Mike Lovatt

Sat, 1 Jul 2018 07:12:20 GMT


Interview with Mark Wilkinson

Interview with Mark Wilkinson

Sat, 30 Jun 2018 20:52:01 GMT


Interview with Kenny Crookston

Interview with Kenny Crookston

Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:24:24 GMT


The Brass Show No.1: 2018 Black Dyke Festival

The Brass Show No.1: 2018 Black Dyke Festival

Sun, 3 Jun 2018 08:13:51 GMT


Interview with David Childs

Interview with David Childs

Mon, 28 May 2018 12:05:40 GMT


Interview with Edward Gregson

Interview with Edward Gregson

Mon, 28 May 2018 21:04:14 GMT


Memories of Allan Withington's 2017 Conducting Course

Memories of Allan Withington's 2017 Conducting Course

Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:37:42 GMT


Interview with Tim Mutum and Philip Hunt

Interview with Tim Mutum and Philip Hunt

Sat, 01 Jan 2018 22:58:56 GMT


Interview with Yamaha

Interview with Yamaha

Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:17:20 GMT


Interview with Lito Fontana

Interview with Lito Fontana

Sat, 14 Nov 2017 09:37:15 GMT


Interview with Peter Steiner

Interview with Peter Steiner

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 09:29:02 GMT


Interview with Italian Brass Band

Interview with Italian Brass Band

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 09:24:01 GMT


Interview with Brasskneidl - Die Puschtra Brassband

Interview with Brasskneidl - Die Puschtra Brassband

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 16:21:51 GMT


Interview with Prof David King

Interview with Prof David King

Sat, 14 Oct 2017 10:54:59 GMT


Interview with Steven Mead

Interview with Steven Mead

Sat, 09 Sep 2017 17:03:50 GMT


Interview with Arsene Duc

Interview with Arsene Duc

Sat, 09 Sep 2017 14:47:55 GMT


Interview with Ceri Parry Morgan

Interview with Ceri Parry Morgan

Fri, 4 Aug 2017 13:13:52 GMT


Interview with Prof Nicholas Childs

Interview with Prof Nicholas Childs

Tue, 2 Aug 2017 08:48:06 GMT


Interview with a trio of Norwegians

Interview with a trio of Norwegians

Tue, 2 Aug 2017 08:42:06 GMT


Interview with the Koch brothers from Switzerland

Interview with the Koch brothers from Switzerland

Tue, 2 Aug 2017 08:34:46 GMT


Interview with Renata Krbilkova

Interview with Renata Krbilkova

Tue, 2 Aug 2017 08:26:41 GMT


Interview with Chia-yeh Lee

Interview with Chia-yeh Lee

Tue, 2 Aug 2017 08:18:52 GMT


Happy New Zealanders

Happy New Zealanders

Sun, 09 Jul 2017 10:20:38 GMT


Interview with Oliver Waespi

Interview with Oliver Waespi

Sun, 09 Jul 2017 10:16:04 GMT


Interview with Nigel Weeks and David Bremner

Interview with Nigel Weeks and David Bremner

Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:01:37 GMT


Interview with James Gourlay and Jeremy Coquoz

Interview with James Gourlay and Jeremy Coquoz

Sun, 9 Jul 2017 13:51:15 GMT


Following Manger: All over bar the shouting...

Following Manger: All over bar the shouting...

Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:38:02 GMT


Interview with Nigel Clarke

Interview with Nigel Clarke

Sun, 9 Jul 2017 11:03:04 GMT


Following Manger: It's a game if two halves

Following Manger: It's a game if two halves

Sat, 8 Jul 2017 06:06:09 GMT


Following Manger: No last minute nerves

Following Manger: No last minute nerves

Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:55:36 GMT


Following Manger: On the bus....

Following Manger: On the bus....

Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:49:56 GMT


Following Manger: Last minute thoughts from the MD

Following Manger: Last minute thoughts from the MD

Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:45:23 GMT


Following Manger: Allan Withington's last rehearsal tips

Following Manger: Allan Withington's last rehearsal tips

Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:35:39 GMT


Introduction to the World Music Championship

Introduction to the World Music Championship

Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:03:29 GMT


Interview with Brass for Africa

Interview with Brass for Africa

Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:09:51 GMT


Interview with Bram Gay

Interview with Bram Gay

Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:29:38 GMT


Interview with Peter Graham

Interview with Peter Graham

Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:20:33 GMT


Interview with Bramwell Tovey.

Interview with Bramwell Tovey.

Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:08:08 GMT


Interview with Steven Mead

Interview with Steven Mead

Fri, 9 Sep 2016 22:52:24 GMT


Interview with Philip Smith

Interview with Philip Smith

Sun, 7 Aug 2016 09:16:21 GMT


Interview with Mareika Gray

Interview with Mareika Gray

Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:09:48 GMT


Interview with Edward Gregson

Interview with Edward Gregson

Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:10:15 GMT


Interview with Prof Nicholas Childs

Interview with Prof Nicholas Childs

Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:59:26 GMT


Interview with a trio of first time delegates to the IBBSS

Interview with a trio of first time delegates to the IBBSS

Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:40:18 GMT


Interview with Norwegian delegates on the 2016 IBBSS

Interview with Norwegian delegates on the 2016 IBBSS

Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:33:18 GMT


Interview with Tom Hutchinson

Interview with Tom Hutchinson

Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:12:17 GMT


Interview with Harmen Vanhoorne

Interview with Harmen Vanhoorne

Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:12:15 GMT


Interview with Byron Newton and David Bremner

Interview with Byron Newton and David Bremner

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 01:54:26 GMT


Interview with Rachel Thomas

Interview with Rachel Thomas

Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:20:25 GMT


Interview with Bramwell Tovey (Part 2)

Interview with Bramwell Tovey (Part 2)

Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:27:12 GMT


Interview with Prof Nicholas Childs

Interview with Prof Nicholas Childs

Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:56:51 GMT


Interview with Ignatius Wang

Interview with Ignatius Wang

Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:25:54 GMT


Interview with Haskell Johnson

Interview with Haskell Johnson

Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:20:37 GMT


Interview with Dutch delegates at the IBBSS

Interview with Dutch delegates at the IBBSS

Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:14:10 GMT


Interview with Shoichiro Hokazono

Interview with Shoichiro Hokazono

Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:16:56 GMT


Besson Masterclass No 2: Finger flexibility

Besson Masterclass No 2: Finger flexibility

Sun, 06 Nov 2011 10:00:00 GMT


Besson Masterclass No 1: Lip flexibility

Besson Masterclass No 1: Lip flexibility

Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:00:00 GMT


Interview with Glen Van Looy

Interview with Glen Van Looy

Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:00:00 GMT


A visit to Denis Wick

A visit to Denis Wick

Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:30:00 GMT


4BR talks to Dr Nicholas Childs

4BR talks to Dr Nicholas Childs

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 07:00:00 GMT


Masterclass No 5: Les Neish - Developing range

Masterclass No 5: Les Neish - Developing range

Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:00:00 GMT


Masterclass No 4: Les Neish - Correct Breathing

Masterclass No 4: Les Neish - Correct Breathing

Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:00:00 GMT


Masterclass No 3: Steven Mead gets those fingers moving...

Masterclass No 3: Steven Mead gets those fingers moving...

Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:00:00 GMT


Masterclass No 2: Steven Mead and the benefits of long tone playing

Masterclass No 2: Steven Mead and the benefits of long tone playing

Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:00:00 GMT


Masterclass No 1: Steven Mead explains the mystery of vibrato

Masterclass No 1: Steven Mead explains the mystery of vibrato

Sun, 11 Nov 2010 11:53:00 GMT


Tips from the Stars #2 - Better home practice

Tips from the Stars #2 - Better home practice

Tue, 29 Dec 2008 18:00:00 GMT


Q10 - Simon Dobson

Q10 - Simon Dobson

Mon, 03 November 2008 19:30:00 GMT


Q10 - Martin Winter

Q10 - Martin Winter

Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:00:00 GMT


Interview - Garry Cutt

Interview - Garry Cutt

Wed, 14 Sep 2008 03:00:00 GMT


Q10 - Rod Franks

Q10 - Rod Franks

Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:00:00 GMT


Tips from the Stars #1 - Performing on stage

Tips from the Stars #1 - Performing on stage

Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:00:00 GMT


Mastermind - Episode 1

Mastermind - Episode 1

Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:00:00 GMT