Nicholas Childs Interview - ref art003
On a balmy summer evening in 1968, Manchester United won the European
Cup, and with it ended a ten year quest to be crowned the finest
football team in Europe. It was the culmination of a career in the
game for their manager, the legendary Matt Busby and signalled the
end of his tenure as manager of the biggest football club in the
world. Nothing could ever be as good again for him and his players
and nothing ever was.
Within months Busby retired, and within years his once great team
had been relegated to the Second Division. Great players such as
Law and Charlton had grown old, whilst his jewel, George Best, had
tarnished his image too many times and was on a downward slope that
he would never recover from. United hired manager after manager
McGuiness, OFarrell, Doherty, Sexton and Atkinson all came and
went. The club was still the biggest in the world, but they no longer
were the best.
Before he was sacked Ron Atkinson summed it all up. This is the
greatest job in the world, but also the bloody hardest. If you dont
emulate the past then you dont have a future. Everyone thinks they
can manage United, but only Sir Matt has ever succeeded. It took
over 30 years before the past was put to rest, when United won the
European Cup for the second time. The new manager, Alex Feurguson
had finally put the ghosts of a glorious past behind and was now
the most successful manager in their history.
Nicholas Childs has the hardest job in brass banding. Black Dyke
Mills Band is the biggest and most famous band in the world. For
some time however, they have not been the best. When he took over
the reigns in 2000, he was taking over an institution that even
accounting for all its successes over the past 130 years or more,
was a band that many saw in crisis. 1995 was Black Dykes last great
year a year in which they won an unprecedented treble of European,
National and Open Championships, and since that time only a Yorkshire
Area title in 1998 had come their way. For the banding worlds equivalent
of Manchester United, this was a veritable drought, and so changes
in an atmosphere of acrimony were made.
James Watson left and the banding world was alive with rumours
of the successor to be. Nicholas Childs wanted and believed he could
do the job. Leaving Fodens was the hardest decision I have ever
had to make. They were a great band before I came to them and I
believe we worked together to make Fodens an even better band when
I left. It was a great relationship and one I am proud to have been
a part of. Winning the Nationals has been my greatest achievement
to date and it couldnt have been done without having such a brilliant
band of players to conduct.
Once he made the decision however, there was no turning back. I
spoke at length with James Watson to ensure that both of us knew
what was in store, and so that I could approach the job as a development
of his work rather than ending of it. He has done so much for the
band, both at contests and in raising the profile of the band worldwide,
that I felt that would be silly to not develop this further. His
advice has been invaluable.
Advice has been something that Nicholas Childs has sought throughout
his career. His father, John was the driving force behind both Nicholas
and his brother becoming the finest exponents of euphonium playing
in the world, but he ensured that whatever success came their way
they never became big headed. The greatest advice he gave us was
never forget the people you meet on the way up, because you will
certainly meet them again on the way back down it is something
I have tried to stick to. This is an aspect of Nicholas Childs
that people who meet and work with him agree upon. He has a huge
extended family back in Wales that he regularly visits and a close
and very supportive family life. The family to me is the most important
thing in my life. Alison, my wife, gives me advice, support, encouragement
and the right amount of telling offs! Bob is also a source of inspiration,
whilst Rebecca, my daughter gives me the energy to carry on trying
to be a success.
Success has always been a part of the Childs story, but Nicholas
Childs has also had his fair share of disappointments. The 90s
have seen him be runner up at the British Open on three occasions
with three separate bands. Second with Tredegar, beaten by Marple
who were last band on, second with Fodens in what I consider the
closest contest I have ever been involved in, and last year, second
with Black Dyke and beaten by my brother! I think someone up there
may think I shouldnt get it. Its said with a wry smile, especially
as he is very proud of the achievements of Bob. He also recalls
disappointment at a young age, when at a local Welsh solo contest
he played on even though his main tuning slide was falling out,
making his sound progressively flatter by the bar, until it dropped
to the floor and his chances of winning the Under 10 title were
scupperred for another year.
The lessons were learnt however, and even though he left school
not over endowed academically, he realised that he would have to
gain musical qualifications if he was to meet his ambitions. Getting
musical qualifications was a means to an end for me. They were very
difficult to obtain, but it was essential for me to get them if
I was to conduct at the highest level. He can now boast an M.A.
after majoring in conducting and is a Fellow at London College of
Music and an Associate at the Royal College of Music - not bad for
someone who was told at school that he couldnt expect to make a
living from playing the euphonium!
Further lessons in the world of music came when he decided to set
up Doyen
Recordings Limited with his brother Bob, and to branch out into
a conducting career. Both have seen a long apprenticeship before
success came his way. The business was a big risk, but one
that through sheer hard work by all the family and friends has I
think paid off. Its a small market we trade in, but one in
which we are expanding our scope to cover not only the making of
CDs but becoming recording specialists in general. The
conducting has also been a long road to success. I started
at the bottom, because I knew that was the level I was at. My focus
has been to develop the bands I have been associated with so that
together we become better and better. I think therefore that I have
had good relationships with all the bands Ive been with and
have left them as they have left me, in better shape than when we
started.
The record backs Nicholas Childs up, with the Deiniolen Band in
North Wales now a thriving lower section organisation, whilst Tredegar,
the band he took to three Welsh titles, runners - up at the British
Open and winners of the Own Choice Section at the Europeans, now
a confirmed top ten band in the UK. A couple of stints as resident
conductors at both Fodens and Yorkshire Building Society showed
the qualities required to succeed at the apex of banding, and so
it was at Fodens when he took over as Professional Conductor in
1997.
Fodens were a band of brilliant talents but were also a band that
had remarkably underachieved at the major contests. Luck was something
to do with it, but too many there was a lack of self belief. Fodens
were a great band, but a band that was accustomed to being pipped
at the post. They realised this and together we set out to win a
major to show everyone how good we really were. The 1999 National
Championships were the crowning glory for the partnership, a partnership
that had won nearly every other prize on offer, but not a major
for over 40 years. Its my greatest moment. A brilliant performance
from a brilliant band, he says.
The banding world was now geared to seeing Nicholas Childs and
Fodens (Courtois) head the prizes at the major championships for
years to come, but it was not to be. The lure of Black Dyke was
too much and the sense of fulfilling his own ambitions lead to him
leaving Fodens and taking on the premier conducting job in the brass
band world.
This is the ultimate challenge for me, and one that I know I will
have to work harder than ever to succeed at. I dont see the job
as a caretaker, and I realise that I am in a long legacy of wonderful
musicians, but whatever directions I take the band in, I will do
it together with them, even though most of the time I will realise
that I will either stand or fall by my decisions.
Some of these decisions have already been made, with obtaining
sponsorship at the top of a long list. A band like Black Dyke needs
a sponsor, but we have a Board of Trustees that run the band very
well indeed and have ambitious plans for the future, such as the
development of the bandroom. I have also been very lucky to bring
on board Dr Philip Wilby as Musician in Residence and Dr Peter Graham
as Associate Conductor, so I believe the band will receive excellent
guidance in the future. Contest wins however, are the barometer
that measures success in the banding world and Nicholas Childs is
well aware of the fact that even though in recent years Black Dyke
have a record most bands would give their high teeth for, he knows
Black Dyke are not like most other bands. Contesting is the sport
of our movement, and everyone knows I enjoy contesting, especially
if you do well. However, there is more to the life and development
of a brass band, including Black Dyke, than just gearing ourselves
for the contests. I want to win the Majors with Black Dyke, but
at the moment I do not see a need a to change our policy of what
contests we enter. There are developments which I believe are equally
if not more important, and it is these that I wish to attain at
present.
These include the recent Festival of Brass in Manchester that saw
the band perform two world premiers of works by Martin Ellerby for
trombone and Kenneth Hesketh for band and included works from the
pens of James MacMillan, Britains foremost young composer at present
as well as his great mentor, Elgar Howarth.
Whatever the future holds, it surely will be an interesting one
for the man from South Wales. Its the hardest job in the world,
but everyone would love to do it - Manager of Manchester United
or Musical Director of Black Dyke Mills Band, Nicholas Childs knows
hes got the best job and nothing is going to stop him succeeding.
Nicholas Childs
Born:
Usk, South Wales. 7th October 1961
Bands:
Tredegar Junior Band, Tredegar Town Band, Yorkshire Imperial, Grimethorpe
Colliery, Britannia Building Society
Conducting:
Deiniolen Silver, Grimethorpe Colliery (Bandmaster), Britannia Building
Society (Assistant Conductor), Tredgera Town Band, Yorkshire Building
Society, Fodens Courtois, Black Dyke Mills.
Successes:
Cwm Slow Melody Champion Under 10s: Welsh Solo Champion: National
Eisteddffod Champion: Euphonium Player of the Year: National Coal
Board Champion of Champions.
Member of Yorkshire Imperial Band that won BBC Band of the Year
and Yorkshire Area Champions. Member of Grimethorpe Colliery Band
that won BBC Band of the Year, NCB Champions, British Open Champions
1984, Granada Band of the Year, Brass in Concert Champions. Member
of Britannia Building Society Band that won BBC Band of the Year,
North West Champions, Masters Champions 1990 and 1991, European
Champions 1992.
Conducting Successes:
Tredegar Town Band: Champion Band of Wales 1994,1995,1996. Runners-Up,
British Open 1995. Winners Own Choice Section European Championships
1997. Pontins Champions 1998
Fodens Courtois: National Champions of Great Britain 1999. North
West Area Champions 1998,1999,2000. Brass in Concert Champions.
British Open Runners-Up 1998. French Open Champions. Harry Ramsden
Champions.
Black Dyke Mills: Runners-Up British Open 2000.
Iwan Fox.
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